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Kent
Posts: 2389

6-Feb-2010 1:53:50 AM
hi all,

we are into month of Feb.
who would like to volunteer in organizing the games in March and help to drum up the attendance?

Schedule
7-Mar: ???
14-Mar: ???
21-Mar: ???
28-Mar: ???

with good attendance, organisers will be able to gain additional reward points.

Steady lar!


Tom Ng
Posts: 224

6-Feb-2010 11:11:38 AM
I'll take the 7th March then! =)

at Bukit Merah sec

~El Guaje~ David_7_Villa ~El Guaje~


Kent
Posts: 2389

Edited on 7-Feb-2010 1:21:01 AM
have devised a Organiser's Guidelines for those who keen to take up this role.
don't be turned off by the long checklist, as many of the things are quite common sense. i just list them down so that I myself won't forget anything.

the checklist is by no mean exhaustive. if there's something i missed it out, please let me know.

Steady lar!


Lione Yeo
Posts: 382

7-Feb-2010 1:17:29 AM
Cant seem to access the guideline page

Go hard or go home.


Kent
Posts: 2389

7-Feb-2010 1:21:28 AM
just edited the link, try now.

Steady lar!


David Tan
Posts: 605

8-Feb-2010 9:47:38 AM
I'll take 14 Mar.



Alan Oh
Posts: 229

8-Feb-2010 12:52:07 PM
quote:


Originally posted by Kent:
have devised a Organiser's Guidelines for those who keen to take up this role.
don't be turned off by the long checklist, as many of the things are quite common sense. i just list them down so that I myself won't forget anything.

the checklist is by no mean exhaustive. if there's something i missed it out, please let me know.


Hi Kent, I have read the guidelines and wanna give some suggestion for your review....

I realised that you are collecting field charges from every players during every game in BMSS. The collection of the "kacang puteh" $$ might be tedious and cumbersome therefore I would like to suggest to you why not we collect it in lump sum per half yearly for those who are interested and $6 each for adhoc in order to simplify collection process.

Analysis
1 year = 52 weeks
0.5 year = 26 weeks
Usually we play every fortnight at BMSS therefore every 6 months we play about 13 games in BMSS.

Amount share per person is ard $3 - $5 per game, every 6 months each player pay about $39 - $65. Average amount = $52.
I suggest to collect an amount of approx. $35 (TBA) per player who are interested in this premium deal for 6 months. 
After paying $35 (for 6 month), players will get to enjoy unlimited games without paying any fee within the period.
If players confirm attendance early, they will still get the early confirmation rewards points.

Advantages
1) Players no need to bring extra cash for the game
2) Players get to enjoy at a cheaper rate if they pay for the premium deal
3) Cheap and affordable.
4) Collection of field fee will be much easier.
5) Encourage players to come oftenly in order to make full use of the premium deal.

All others who did not take up the premium deal will pay at a flat rate of $6 (TBA) per game only at payable field.

My 2 cents worth........

Drink Drank Drunk !!!


Karnex Ko
Posts: 681

8-Feb-2010 10:24:30 PM
i like your idea bro.. :)

Manutd For Life


Kent
Posts: 2389

8-Feb-2010 11:11:21 PM
Good analysis from Alan.

As a matter of fact, we practiced something like this last year. Here's 2 threads on the membership fee: Link 1  |  Link 2
What we did was to collect a lump sum from regular players. As for the adhoc players, they will pay on a per-game basis.
I thought our players will try their best to make their money worth by coming as often as possible, but it didn't turn out that way.

This year round, I reverted to the "tedious" method and collect it on a per-game basis.
Reasons? There are several and mainly non-monetary driven.

Encourage Attendance
The concept is pretty much like how Singaporean queue for good food.
When the fee is tiered, it is an incentive to those who confirm their attendance early.
Secondly, it is a trend that once we could get the first 10 to confirm their attendance, the rest of the players will follow suit.

However, if the fee are collected in lump sum, the incentive to confirm attendance earlier is no longer there, since the amount is prepaid for.
Of course, we have points system to reward those who confirm earlier, but at this point of time, more carrot is better than less.

Discourage gatecrash
We collect $10 from players who turn up without confirming their attendance. Not as a form of punishment, but to prevent players from gatecrashing.
However, if players are paying in lump sum, there is little incentive for them to even confirm their attendance.
Since they already paid for it, they will come whenever they like to.

Book Field on demand-basis
Because of too many gatecrashing, many of our field bookings went to waste last year.
Numerous games were canceled because nobody bothered to confirm their attendance at all.

To avoid history from repeating itself, I will only book the field when the attendance looks healthy.
It may not necessarily be limited to a fortnightly affairs, but more dependable on players' demand.

See the link between early confirmation and booking of fields?

Since demand is erratic with little indication when we need to book the field, it would be tough to predict how many weeks we need to cover for the whole year.
SSC is not making it easy by increasing the booking fee.

Lump sum could a deterrent
Like paying in installment, paying $10 per month for a year seems easier than paying $120 at one go, even though they are the same.
With a mixed group of working adults, NS boys and students, everyone's affordability varies.

Point system
It was only recently that we launched the point system, rewarding players with free game as they accumulate enough points.
Thus, it would be better if we stick to it for a while before making much changes, at least until we come out with a good alternative for players to redeem their points for.

Lump sum collection still viable
Trust me when I agree with Alan that collecting a lump sum is so much easier to the current "makali debt".
Fortunately, majority of our players have been very cooperative and made things easy for me.
Gradually, the organisers can help me by doing the fee collection.
Once we have a regular flow of players week in week out, lump sum collection is still a viable move worth considering.



Meanwhile, guys, just keep confirming your attendance earlier and show up, I will do my best to make sure we have a field to play on as frequently as possible.

Steady lar!


Kent
Posts: 2389

8-Feb-2010 11:13:59 PM
Schedule
7-Mar: Tom
14-Mar: Tsuan
21-Mar: David
28-Mar: ???

Still got one more slot to go. any taker?

David, think Hsuan wants to organise a match for 14-Mar, so I put you 21-Mar. Is that ok?

Steady lar!


Alan Oh
Posts: 229

Edited on 9-Feb-2010 1:28:19 AM
quote:



Originally posted by Kent:
Good analysis from Alan.

Encourage Attendance
The concept is pretty much like how Singaporean queue for good food.
When the fee is tiered, it is an incentive to those who confirm their attendance early.
Secondly, it is a trend that once we could get the first 10 to confirm their attendance, the rest of the players will follow suit.

However, if the fee are collected in lump sum, the incentive to confirm attendance earlier is no longer there, since the amount is prepaid for.
Of course, we have points system to reward those who confirm earlier, but at this point of time, more carrot is better than less.

Discourage gatecrash
We collect $10 from players who turn up without confirming their attendance. Not as a form of punishment, but to prevent players from gatecrashing.
However, if players are paying in lump sum, there is little incentive for them to even confirm their attendance.
Since they already paid for it, they will come whenever they like to.

Lump sum could a deterrent
Like paying in installment, paying $10 per month for a year seems easier than paying $120 at one go, even though they are the same.
With a mixed group of working adults, NS boys and students, everyone's affordability varies.






As for gatecrashing, if you know how it works, you will know how to play along with it. (Tell u personally next time, probably u wanna amend abit on it)
Based on my analysis, players can analyse themselves whether they wanna pay approx $35 for 6 months or they wanna pay approx $8 per month?

I guess we are just using difference methods and approach. You are using queue for good foods ways instead of yearly payment for insurance ways. 
My objective is just to help & find ways to solve this cumbersome process.

Drink Drank Drunk !!!


Lione Yeo
Posts: 382

9-Feb-2010 2:20:17 AM
I think I'll try for the last one. If I organise at bm will I need to book the field too?

Go hard or go home.


David Tan
Posts: 605

9-Feb-2010 9:38:29 AM
quote:


Originally posted by Kent:
Schedule
7-Mar: Tom
14-Mar: Tsuan
21-Mar: David
28-Mar: ???

Still got one more slot to go. any taker?

David, think Hsuan wants to organise a match for 14-Mar, so I put you 21-Mar. Is that ok?


Sure...



Kent
Posts: 2389

9-Feb-2010 9:42:28 AM
alan, your suggestion is definitely a valid and simplified one. it's how we correctly implement it.

Steady lar!


David Tan
Posts: 605

Edited on 9-Feb-2010 10:18:57 AM
My take would be to analysize the situation before taking action and not to change a winning formula easily. So far, attendance is healthy and its working well with the current method but of cos, more work for the one collecting the money.

Another way is to start a poll or thread and ask for opinion from everyone to see their preferences. Maybe we can even have 2 kind of system eventually, the "membership lump sum payment" system as per suggested by Alan or the "adhoc paying system" depending on player's preferences. Players who pay lump sum will end up paying slightly lesser of cos. 

Most importantly, we must still maintain this healthy pracise of early attendance confirmation by the players(whether or not its a adhoc payment system or Lump sum payement) so the idea of rewarding/encouraging players who confirmed their attendance early, either by point system or cheaper rate is still impt in some way. For the players who are paying a lump sum, we will need to work out some form of incentive/encouragement for them to indicate their attendance early, else like what Kent mentioned earlier, they will just come as they like since they have already paid.

Its not impossible to achieve, we just need to discuss, weigh the pros and cons and iron out the system before implementing it.



Alan Oh
Posts: 229

9-Feb-2010 1:20:01 PM
quote:


Originally posted by David Tan:

Another way is to start a poll or thread and ask for opinion from everyone to see their preferences. Maybe we can even have 2 kind of system eventually, the "membership lump sum payment" system as per suggested by Alan or the "adhoc paying system" depending on player's preferences. Players who pay lump sum will end up paying slightly lesser of cos. 



This is exactly what I mean. Players can choose whether to pay premium to enjoy cheaper rate or adhoc paying system. No obligation.
Kent & David, no worries regarding what I mentioned in the early post. I am merely give some suggestions for you guys to determine whether it can be work anot. 
You have our full support no matter what decision you guys make.

Drink Drank Drunk !!!

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