quote:Well...we are gentlemens....unless its them who wanna have another game. I wouldn't mind dat way.

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Originally posted by Kent:
i don't know if anyone agree with me, but i will avoid the idea of a rematch.

losing to the same opponent twice is too hard to stomach for some.
winning them will only open up invitation for more rematches.
plus, rivalary will be unnecessarily intense.

if really have to, don't do it in the near future. it will only make us looks like sore losers.

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Originally posted by Ting Fu:
my overall view is....we MUST keep the CORE BACK 4! and personally I feel the CORE BACK 4 are Tay,Kelvin,David,Andy.......I have my own reason in choosing these 4......well saying this...I am not saying uddin,kent,alson are all not good.... just feel uddin would be a very useful backup... and Kent....is more versatile...he could play at Right Mid,Cm too...well alson....could do as a striker or CM too! 

anyone agree???   

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hey tingfu...i second your opinion and same as what i feel...these back 4 are our core guys.
but Kelvin is not available for some time now...we need somebody to build up a good understanding with you asap.

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Originally posted by Alson:

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Originally posted by Ting Fu:
my overall view is....we MUST keep the CORE BACK 4! and personally I feel the CORE BACK 4 are Tay,Kelvin,David,Andy.......I have my own reason in choosing these 4......well saying this...I am not saying uddin,kent,alson are all not good.... just feel uddin would be a very useful backup... and Kent....is more versatile...he could play at Right Mid,Cm too...well alson....could do as a striker or CM too! 

anyone agree???   

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hey tingfu...i second your opinion and same as what i feel...these back 4 are our core guys.
but Kelvin is not available for some time now...we need somebody to build up a good understanding with you asap.

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oops...yah...I forgot kelvin will be away for some times.....

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Originally posted by Kent:
i don't know if anyone agree with me, but i will avoid the idea of a rematch.

losing to the same opponent twice is too hard to stomach for some.
winning them will only open up invitation for more rematches.
plus, rivalary will be unnecessarily intense.

if really have to, don't do it in the near future. it will only make us looks like sore losers.

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agree=)....there so much more teams to play against.....

at first sorry for the mistakes i made in the match....-.-"

i must agree most of u had post is that we must have our solide back 4 but we also need 2 CMs no matter what.......we can see in the first match our team is totally split into 2.....forward and defence.....

we should play more at centre where we can have more options to use....both flanks and strikers tt is infront

actually me and my friend shaun actually has discussed that we shld attack more thru the centre instand of wings.....
we can play simple thru passes to the strikers or wingers running

 i believe many newcomers are midfielders...i suggest if we can have training on midfield too???.......i dun mind playing midfield also...i was once a DM CM or AM before......

hey guys, good news. I'm back! quit my job as it was too boring and really too long hours for me. So I'm able to play le.(most probably wun get a job which eats into my weekends) =)

Personally, i agree with alot of ppl that we shud stick to 4-4-2, instead of putting one AM behind the strikers. I realise tat we are not really good with headers, and more comfortable with ball on the ground. This allows us to control the tempo of the match more easily. In addition. our attackers, like Ting fu, Lione and Elijah, are better with the ball at their feet and dribbling and long shots, so short passes may be the way for our team. This allows time for the rest of the team to get forward too, as seen by this match. Though Tey won alot of headers, it was just too few attackers to penetrate their defense as we're isolated up there even if one of us got the ball. If u guys realise, alot of times we were just pumping ball far, hoping one of the wingers or strikers will get it, but this is one very tiring tactic as we were just chionging for the ball den sprinting back to prevent a counter attack. (It would have worked if all of us can run like Ting Fu) =p We've wasted many good chances with free kicks in very good positions, me included. So maybe next time we can like spare 10mins before or after the trg to train on this as just one goal from our set pieces may just settle or change the tide of the game. 

However, we've done our best for this match and can see everyone has gave everything they can! Kudos to us! But I tink the trg in the morn has worn us out, compounded by the crazy sun in the game, so i suggest those appearing for matches ltr in the day shud just rest in the morn bah.   

good.. i can sense that the team is no longer dwelling on the bad result and taking things positively.
certain degree of ranting is perfectly normal. moving forward, let's try to make something useful out of these rants.

i'm going to summarise my observation and feedback from this thread. correct me if i am wrong.

Training on match day
we could sense the lack of vigor right from the start, possibly attributed by morning training.
in future, let's avoid over-exerting ourselves. no doubt many of you guys are young and energetic, but i never believe that tiring yourselves in the morning would make you run faster in the afternoon.
we were also making ourselves injury-prone by doing so. which is why top clubs rest their players from BPL fixture right after champ league, partly to protect them from injury.

Stable back four
yes, we will try to have a fixed back four as much as possible.
but note that we cannot take for granted that everyone will be available at all time.
it is important that the second line of defense are also given the right opportunities in case they are call to task.

Center of the park
the team seems to agree that we need 2 CM to hold the fort. however, it would be pointless if we bypass them with constant long ball when pressurized.
midfielders also need to make themselves available to receive ball from midfielders.
the call for composure to let our midfield do marshaling and distributing (like how we do during trainings) were clearly absented.

for now, one thing at a time as we need to brush up our fundamentals.
while we enjoy our weekly game, try to spend more time doing the following.

- defenders, use our training opportunities to experiment how you could bring the ball out of danger zone and hand it over to the midfielder, instead of blind clearance.

- midfielder, there are tons to do. but first thing first, keeping possession is our bread and butter. don't just panic and launch ball at all directions. use our trainings to look up before releasing the ball.

- strikers, in contrary, dont hold for too long. i dont believe many of us can shoot well with 2 defenders charging right at you! during training, practice more on touch-and-shoot + volley.

- keeper - goal kick. simple as that. if ur guys are doing a good job, then most of the time, u just need to know how to read the game and take a good goal kick.

Kent...I like to add another thing about goal kick.
I think Alvin kick the ball pretty well with ball in his hand but we do have a problem if it's on the ground.
The goal kick not able to pass the half-way line and those playing CM need to drop slightly deeper to get the ball.

Fixed back 4 is a good idea to attain stability at the back but we'll have to make full use of the squad in order not for the team to over rely on just 4 main players too much. They may get injured, they may be unavailable. We need a core group of defenders who can do the job just as well or if not better than the fixed back 4.

Anything can happen during a game as every opponent are different so we just have to react accordingly based on where the threats are coming from. We just need a strong leader at the back who can make decision fast and organise the defense accordingly. If you think the defense need more help on one area, sound out to make adjustment. Communication is vital and key so try n talk more during the game. Most impt of all, attend training regularly, nothing beats understanding among your teammates and this understanding can only be achieved if you play with each other more often.

I think it is important to let the 2 CM + 4 Def to train as a unit more. In matches the key to winning the ball back is often to isolate and crowd out the opposition. What i mean is, often this unit has to create pressure (by being disciplined in positioning) to draw the attacker into a situation where we can crowd the guy out and win the ball back easily. Too often we blindly chase after who ever has the ball and leaving empty spaces everywhere. Just my 2 cents.

quote: Well...be it back 4, midfielders or strikers....we need everyone and everyone need anyone in the team. It is a 11 players game!

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Originally posted by Wong Ren Jie:

at first sorry for the mistakes i made in the match....-.-"

i must agree most of u had post is that we must have our solide back 4 but we also need 2 CMs no matter what.......we can see in the first match our team is totally split into 2.....forward and defence.....

we should play more at centre where we can have more options to use....both flanks and strikers tt is infront

actually me and my friend shaun actually has discussed that we shld attack more thru the centre instand of wings.....
we can play simple thru passes to the strikers or wingers running

 i believe many newcomers are midfielders...i suggest if we can have training on midfield too???.......i dun mind playing midfield also...i was once a DM CM or AM before......

Basically I still believe in one most important factor. Which is positioning. An organized team is a strong team, an organized team can beat a top team. E.g. the year Porto beat Man Uinted? Porto isn't strong, but theior very well organized.

I would like to personally share that we have to start moving in a formation and not all over the field wherever we want to. E.g if defend is playing diamond then move in a diamond formation, if its a line then move in that formation. Same goes for the midfield, diamond triangle, etc...

This way it will tire out our opponent and frustrate them out.

i suppose many of us are keen with 4-2-3-1 style of play.
right. we shall play in manner for our subsequent trainings.

and one of our back four is back. like wat tingfu said, kelvin seems to find working in dvd shop more tiring than football.